Sir Thomas Johns

• General Notes
  • Under Gwynn family (See source):
    
    Rowland Gwynn or Gwyne Esq. Of Glanbran, who m Gwellian, dau of Howel ap Sion ap (son of) Howel of Cwrn-dan-ddwr, widow of Thomas Lewis Esq of Harpton. Their son, Rhydderch Gwynne, Esq., of Glanbran m Mary, dau of Sir Thomas Johns, Kt of Alemarlesm Carm d 1613. Their eldest so Rowland. The next owner
    
    Howel, the second son , whose wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Herbert Johns or Jones clerk B.D. second son of Thomas Johns or Jones Kt of Abermarles. Their eldest son Rowland remained at Glanbran and their third son, Rhynioyre or Roderick of Llanfair Cilgydin, Mon m Mary, dau and heiress of Samuel Prichard of Brynioyre.
    
    Rev. J. Jones-Davies, R.D. in Abercunrig p. 13 says that Sir William Awbrey married Elizabeth, daughter to Sir Thomas Johnes of Abermarlais. There is only one Thomas Johnes (or Johns/Jones) of Abermarlais at this time that I am aware of. Hugh Thomas' Essay Towards the History of Brecknockshire on page 51 recites essentially the same data but he spells the name Jones instead of Johnes. George Clark in the Genealogies of Glamorgan includes the same data on page 341 but spells the name Johnes, It is the same family. Abermarlais did not have by coincidence a Thomas Jones and another Thomas Johnes and another Thomas Johns each with a daughter named Elizabeth who married William Awbrey. Obviously this is a spelling variation.
    
    That by others and the soundex that when the people from Wales spoke their surname to English speaking person, the name Jones can and does sound like Johnes. There for I and others have into Elizabeth Johnes father as being Thomas Jones
    
    See Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales, Vol. I, p. 269 by Thomas Nicholas, F.G.S. (showing the marriage to Jane Puleston, dau.. of Rowland Puleston); George T. Clark, F.A.S., Limbus Patrum Morganiae et Glamorganiae (Familes of Glamorgan) p. 341 (showing Elizabeth was their daughter who married William Awbrey; Lewis Dwnn, Deputy Herald, Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613, Vol. I pp. 189, 333, Vol II pp. 58, 151 (showing Thos. marriage to Jane Puleston and their parentage of Elizabeth Johnes)." "Rev. J. Jones-Davies work Abercynrig which also cites Thomas Johnes of Abermarlais as the father of Elizabeth who married William Awbrey.
    
    " Sir William Awbrey's will, According to George Clark's Families of Glamorgan p. 341 the will was proved at Brecon in 1631. Anthony Gwyn of Llansannor is one of his allies-men and Refering again to Clark, he shows that Sir William indeed married Elizabeth /o Thomas Johnes by Jane Puleston and even describes her father Thomas Johnes' coat of arms. The following children are listed (I am not sure whether they are all named in the will): 1. Edward 2. Reginald, slain at Edgehill 3. John 4. Thomas 5. Harry 6. John 7. Catherine 8. Jane 9. Elinor. another ref. that shows Edward and the first John died young. I see no reference to a Richard. The surviving sons appear to be Henry (Harry), John and Thomas, all of whom show up later in Virginia. Jeffries bought Abercynrig, and as you can see from my previous email, John Awbrey had some connection to the Jeffries family (Va. Mag. Hist).
    
    Clark shows Sir Thomas Johnes' wife as Jane Puleston (sometimes her family name has different spellings too.) That leads us to Thomas Nicholas' pedigrees in The Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales which shows the spelling for this family as Johnes of Abermarlais. On pp. 268-269 he shows Sir Thomas Johnes married Mary Berkeley (sometimes spelled Barkley or Berkley). They had Sir Henry who married Elizabeth Herbert (sometimes spelled Harbert), and they had Sir Thomas Johnes, Kt., of Abermarlais, who married Jane daughter and heiress to Rowland Puleston. The name is spelled Johnes in the lineage on p. 291 and again in the Puleston lineage on p. 455. The Annals do not recite all of the children Sir Thomas Johnes and Jane Puleston, but it does refer to son Henry (269, 291) and daughter Mary (455). That becomes more important as we look to Lewys Dwnn's Heraldic Visitations of Wales as editied by Samuel Meyrick. Remember this is the work of a Deputy Herald and was supposed to be reliable, almost like a census."
    
    Abstract of the Will of Sir Thomas Johnes of Abermarles, Carmarthen, Kt.
    To second son Thomas Johnes certain messuages, lands, etc.; to son Rowland Johnes an annuity of £20; to son Richard Johnes an annuity of £20; to son Harberte Johnes an annuity of £20; to daughter Anna Johnes £500; to servant Thos. Gwin a tenement; to John Johnes a base son of my father Sir Hy. Johnes, Kt., an annuity of £6 13s. 4d., to servant David Morgan Rees certain messuages, he paying rent therefor. To servant Lewes John ap Owen certain messuages, he paying rent, etc. To servant James Willyams a house. etc., he paying rent, etc. Residue to son and heir Sir Hy. Johnes, Kt., except jointure to wife, Dame Jane. Said Sir Hy. to be executor. Uncle Sir John Harberte, Kt., and cousin Rowland Gwyn, and Charles Vaughan, Esquires, to be overseers. Witnesses: Reddz Walter, vicar of Llansadorne, Richd. Johnen, clerk, Howell Thomas, Lewes John Bowen, Rhes Thomas Dd. Poll, and John Thomas, writer. Wife Jane to have three horses, household stuff and cattle, etc. To uncle Sir John Harberte a horse. To servant Thomas Gwine an annuity of £3 for a certain No. of years. To Rees Thomas Dd Powell £3. To servant John ap Ievan 40/. To servant Owen Gwin Dd ap Rees 40/. To servant Owen Gwin John 40/. Witness, Richard Johnes.
    
    
    
    Sir Thomas Johnes, Kt., of Aberrnarlais, Carmarthen-shire, Wales, an abstract of whose will is given, appears to have belonged to a very ancient Welsh family, one branch of which was seated at Dolau Cothy, Wales, an extended pedigree of which appears in Thomas Nicholas� Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales.
    
    P.C.C., 54 Harte.7th March, 1603/4.
    
    Sir Thomas Johnes of Abermarles. Carmarthen, Kt.
    
    To second son Thomas Johnes certain messuages, lands, etc.
    
    To son Rowland Johnes an annuity of £20.
    
    To son Richard Johnes an annuity of £20.
    
    To son Harberte Johnes an annuity of £20.
    
    To daughter Anna Johnes £500.
    
    To servant Thos. Gwin a tenement.
    
    To John Johnes a base son of my father Sir Hy. (Henry) Johnes, Kt., an annuity of £6 13s. 4d.
    
    To servant David Morgan Rees certain messuages, he paying rent therefor.
    
    To servant Lewes John ap Owen certain messuages, he paying rent, etc.
    
    To servant James Willyams a house. etc., he paying rent, etc.
    
    Residue to son and heir Sir Hy. Johnes, Kt., except join-ture to wife, Dame Jane. Said Sir Hy. to be executor. Uncle Sir John Harberte, Kt., and cousin Rowland Gwyn, and Charles Vaughan, Esquires, to be overseers.
    
    Witnesses: Reddz Walter, vicar of Llansadorne, Richd. Johnen, clerk, Howell Thomas, Lewes John Bowen, Rhes Thomas Dd. Poll (Dd Poll, David Powell), and John Thomas, writer.
    
    Wife Jane to have three horses, household stuff and cat-tle, etc.
    
    To uncle Sir John Harberte a horse.
    
    To servant Thomas Gwine an annuity of £3 for a certain No. of years.
    
    To Rees Thomas Dd Powell £3.
    
    To servant John ap Ievan 40/-.
    
    To servant Owen Gwin Dd ap Rees 40/-.
    
    To servant Owen Gwin John 40/-.
    
    Witness, Richard Johnes.
    
    Schedule of debts. Proved 18th May. 1604. by said executor.

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Source/Citation ANNALS AND ANTIQUITIES of THE COUNTIES and COUNTY FAMILES OF WALES

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